SolarPV to heat immersion using excess generation

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g7pkf
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http://www.sgwooldridge.co.uk/cms/Solarpvswitch

 

Price does not look to bad, developer does knows his onions not HAH related but i know a lot of you "do" this.

 

the intresting bit for me is the clamp goes "one way round" and can detect if feeding or drawing from grid.

 

Dean AKA G7PKF

AlexS
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saw this for the adventurous among you:

 

Using an Arduino to phase control 220V AC mains power.

 

http://www.rotwang.co.uk/projects/triac.html

basically an adjustable solar energy dump.

g7pkf
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Found this

http://www.ionenergy.co.uk/ion-energy-50-solar-immersion.html

 

a little cheaper due for release at the end of the month. i have the pdf's but they are just sales blurb. it is basically a nicer looking version of the other product mentioned above (has lcd backlit display that shows how much energy has been fed to immersion).

 

now the techy bit

apparantly how they monitor if feeding or drawing off grid with a single clamp is they monitor the sine wave of the mains if feeding it is 180degrees different to if drawing. as the unit is AC powered it can detect changes in the phase and hence determine if feeding or drawing and by the size of the generated sine wave how much for each.

 

If one of you techies out there has a scope can you confirm this by monitoring a clamp output? my scope is busted at present :(

 

Dean

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How much is it do you know?
How much is it do you know?
g7pkf
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Yes

the woodbridge one at top is £395 pluss vat and£ 10 postage so thats £484 total

the other one that i just listed is TRADE PRICE (i do not know retail or postage) £295 ex vat and has 3 year gaurantee which i estimate is the time it would take to re-coup the full cost etc so retail i anticipate it to be £450 all in

 (vat postage etc)-but do not quote me as this is an estimate and i anticipate they will do it just under the other device.

Dean

 

I am very very likely to be getting one on trial very shortly (just sorting out T&C's-dotting i's and crossing t's so to speak)

DoubleSpeed
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Are you aware of EJ's project
Are you aware of EJ's project and his kit?
EJ-Ambient
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i-GEN Solar Boiler. Heat your

i-GEN Solar Boiler. Heat your DHW with excess PV..... that's what it might become!

I'm at the beta test stage of my own implementation of this type of kit - I've got 15 PCB's left waiting to be populated, so if you're a dab hand with a soldering gun you can have one to test for the price of the parts (about £175 - £250 depending on what you want)... send me a PM and I'll reply with more details....

Also, this system interfaces directly with a CC EnviR and gives 3 Wattage readings (Usage, Generation, Feed to Boiler) which you can see in near to real-time on your HAHub and post onto Pachube.... take a look at http://cosm.com/feeds/34982 on ID's 15, 2 and 18.

Here's some teaser photos....

EJ

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g7pkf
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I was aware he was developing one

just noticed EJ beat me to it.

 

the ones i have listed are totally stand alone with ce approval designed to be installed by a qualified electrician within 30 minutes.

 

Joe public so to speak :)

 

EJ's looks a good starting point but by the time you add a custom case and "build" costs i suspect it would be on par with the commercially avalible ones.

 

Dean

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Yup...and nope!The kit

Yup...and nope!

The kit includes the case and all the bits including matched CT coils..... but you're right, the build costs are what moves the price up into the 'commercially available' price range.... having seen the build quality of the others I think we're above par!  And if you build it yourself - no additional cost!!!

I've been told CE approval isn't required on 5V systems - eg wallwarts and low power stuff! - but we can pass part 15 on application and we're opto-isolated from the mains side, but it'd still require a full-fat electrician to install....

Also, some tweaks and enhacements and the availability of 'cheaper' bits might bring the parts cost down.. If I was buying in large qtys that'd definitely be the case!

I'll let you know how it pans out.... but the offer still stands - if you want to roll your own, I can provide the bits....

EJ ;-)

AlexS
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electrician?

Its a <3kw heater in the tank, so long as you have a socket on your solar output then I suspect it could legally be plug in.

 

If you could find an immersion heater with a kettle plug you are away.

g7pkf
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It's arrived :) installed and working
brett
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Awesome-ness.Now that I'm

Awesome-ness.

Now that I'm relocated back down under Solar installation are everywhere!  Its like a blight on peoples rooftop there is just so many installations, not suprising that we average 300 days of sunhine a year.  Even winter here is blue skies and sunshine.  After being in the UK for so long its seem so wrong to see so much sun?!  

I'm itching to find a house that either already has a setup or will be installing my own VERY soon and I know just the thing to monitor it  :)

Brett

DoubleSpeed
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Cool did you have to change

Cool did you have to change your immersion down to a lower wattage? How much did it cost for the unit and installation?

g7pkf
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Beware

I have found my current cost read really wrong on the immersion (it roughly measures double the load), not sure why but suspect its something to do with the pulse width modulation they use to drive the immersion.

 

am going to try a different clamp (as i only had a really big one spare) and see if that makes a differance :)  will keep you posted.

 

And Double speed it cost me nothing i am trialling it for my solar provider, they are going to retail at £350ish +VAt but not confirmed yet. But i belive it is being released very soon.

and no it will feed from zero up to 100% (it is rated at 3KW) of your immersion as standard mine is 3Kw so that fine.

I have seen it run from about 40watts up, it seems to cut when grid feed is 250W and kick in when it is above 500W (roughly) so there is some hysterisis.

http://www.immersun.co.uk/intelligence.php

http://www.immersun.co.uk/technical.php

Payback is always a tricky one that is why i am trialling it cosm helps monitoring https://cosm.com/feeds/43841 But i use oil and with my boiler efficency and power it cost between 5-6p per KWh so every KWh this thing sticks in my hot water that's 5-6p saved! so working on a £400 costing thats 8000 units to break even so if it averages about 7KWh a day it will take 3 years (if oil prices stay at 5-6p-less if they go up!) if it does 5KWh a day that means a payback in 4 years. In a couple of weeks i should have a fair idea on payback.

I will admit if you have a free rent your roof solar this is ideal as you get nowt for generated or exported electricity, If you have old spinning meter it is not (as meter goes backwards when exporting) and if you have a smart meter and bought your panels payback will be much longer.

I have also added a calibrated mains meter to just the immersion supply so i have a third party reading to measure against.

 

I have the pdf installation manual so if you want a copy PM me your email address.

g7pkf
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Found it

Current cost clamp was for some strange reason reading doubleish what it should, found a spare and all seems good now :) also moved it to incoming to eliminate PWM issue (but that did not help :( )

 

Dean

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